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Wednesday, November 23, 2005
The Counterfeit "Gift of Tongues"
One thing that Cessationists and Continuationists must agree upon - there are very counterfeit versions of the gifting of tongues.

The first, and perhaps most prevalent is the faux "gift" of speaking gibberish. While this should be entirely self evident, I will express it in words never the less: One does not need the Spirit of God indwelling them to inarticulately grunt and groan. No matter what sort of passion a person might pour into their own personal ululating gibber, it is not the Spirit of God doing it.

Pretty much every false religion known to man includes this sort of "speaking in tongues." As a general rule of thumb:
a) if someone has to teach you how to do it, or
b) if you actually had to convince yourself that this "gift" isn't phoney-balogna or isn't something you are doing in your own strength, or
c) if no one on earth (including yourself) can translate what you are saying...
Chances are that this gift is all in your head.

There are some out there who contend that there are two types of tongues - the kind that happened at Pentecost (intelligible language), and another less defined variety that is interpreted out of 1 Corinthians - a personal prayer language.

Now, there are many who believe in the second variety - and were I to say that the second variety is entirely bunk, and perhaps could be the poster child for the word bunk - being so saturated with everything that bunkness describes - I would likely take some heat for that. So I will carefully avoid sharing my own opinions in the matter.

I will however say that if there *is* a private prayer language - it certainly isn't the counterfeit that commonly passes for it - and that is my point - counterfeits.

I am not decrying that there is no such thing as the gift of tongues - my mind is not made up yet - but I am decrying that there --IS-- such a thing as a counterfeit - and it is the counterfeit that I am speaking against.

Whether or not we can agree on "cessationism" we ought to be able to agree that there are worldly counterfeits - and be on our guard against them.
posted by Daniel @ 8:11 AM  
13 Comments:
  • At 10:32 AM, November 23, 2005, Blogger Lee Shelton said…

    Whsio skdj hioe djckl wotui ptopfl? Ckfo wh teqrw cdkl cmfx. Opfko dnfk rhdlw djwil hgjfh, dkreosk, wskdjd!

     
  • At 10:38 AM, November 23, 2005, Blogger Daniel said…

    <spit take>

    Seriously - most people wouldn't have bothered taking their fingers off the home row - you know, a lot of asdf and jkl; - but you sir, have gone the distance, using other letters to make it legit - - I applaud you.

    :-D

     
  • At 10:53 AM, November 23, 2005, Blogger Lee Shelton said…

    Well, it is a gift! :-)

    This is one of those "touchy" subjects among believers. There are two main questions regarding this issue that I have yet to have sufficiently answered by those who advocate speaking in tongues: 1) Where is there an example in scripture of gibberish being spoken and not actual languages? 2) How can a "personal prayer language" be considered a gift when it really doesn't serve to edify the body of Christ?

     
  • At 11:00 AM, November 23, 2005, Blogger Daniel said…

    Touchy is an understatement.

    Even if we allow the private prayer language - we have to be discerning enough to admit that nonsensical gibbering is not of the Lord.

     
  • At 1:55 PM, November 23, 2005, Blogger ThirstyDavid said…

    I was going to interpret Lee's utterance, but the Lord told me it was not meant for you. I however, was very edified (edified = entertained).

     
  • At 1:59 PM, November 23, 2005, Blogger Daniel said…

    <popeye laugh>

     
  • At 2:39 PM, November 23, 2005, Blogger Daniel said…

    BTW I really like the image I found for this post...

     
  • At 3:03 PM, November 23, 2005, Blogger Bryan said…

    I'm in agreement with you Daniel. I'm not sure where I stand on cessationism anymore, but what goes on in a lot of churches, I'm particularly troubled by stuff I hear coming out of a big one around here (can you guess which one I mean?), is just false.

    Bryan
    SDG

     
  • At 3:45 PM, November 23, 2005, Blogger Daniel said…

    Yeah, if it's new and improved, it is coming from there...

     
  • At 7:47 PM, November 23, 2005, Blogger candyinsierras said…

    interpretation of shelton's tongues... Undalay! Undalay! Undalay! Don't waste a great opportunity to give a love gift! Buy my new and updated book on how to discern between tongues and eubonics! I've added a new chapter on how to understand tongues in a southern accent. oh. yeah. umm..thus saith the Lord.

     
  • At 10:21 AM, November 25, 2005, Blogger Wayne Hatcher said…

    The first part is not really all that hard. You separate the wheat from the chaff by "knowing them by their fruits." We have been told in several places in the New Testament that counterfeits would abound. Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. (1 John 4:1) I was looking at 1 Timothy 2 a bit ago, and it struck me, if all of us would make full use of the ordinary means of grace, we would be so equipped for service, and so busy, we wouldn't have time to learn "tie my bowtie, tie my bowtie, tie my bowtie . . .ldiut hhvnv asldyt0 q9wnvn ,jghy pe9nn"

    I guess the tongues and healing issues seem so obvious (to me) that I don't worry much about them. I can conceive of situations, and have heard stories of missionaries, where those "gifts" advanced the gospel of saving grace, that it is genuine.

    What worries me most is the whole issue of prophecy. Take, for instance, 1 Timothy 1:18, where Paul states that someone made some kind of a prophecy concerning Timothy and his calling as a pastor. All we hear about today is prophecies of impending disaster, or the return of our Lord (He even told us no man knows the day or the hour.), or "God told me to tell you to give me some money." Now if someone were to say "God told me that you should become a missionary to Afghanistan." How do you know, or how can you verify that God is really speaking to that individual. I understand the passage above in 1 John about testing the spirits; you have that Berean spirit and index everything with the Scriptures, but still . . .

     
  • At 10:39 AM, November 25, 2005, Blogger Daniel said…

    PW - Prophesy is one gift that is heavily counterfeited today - no doubt about that. Deceived and deceivers - sincere, but sincerely mistaken.

     
  • At 11:56 PM, November 30, 2005, Blogger Sharon34 said…

    Hmmm... Interesting comments..

    Faith is like that.. we have to believe on what God said.. simply because He said it and we don't often understand why.. Thank the Lord Jesus there is mention of tongues in the bible.. so even if there is counterfeit.. there is also real truth to God pouring out His Spirit in this way!!

    Tongues.. I can guess from the comments made that no one who has commented here has spoken that way...
    No I do not understand what happens or what I say to God when I speak in tongues and it sounds like real conversations with pauses and sometimes I even sing with continuous sounds and I know I am not any kind of language expert but at times it certainly sounds like different languages are being spoken.. It started to happen one weekend while I was just praying normally very softly at first but then it got so much that it practically poured out for awhile.. I could not have stopped in then if I wanted too.. It was as if every fibre in my body had to commune with God like that.. I started speaking that way and it has never stopped since though not as intense as the very first few days.. and it has brought such joy.. and I feel so blessed by God that He gave me this gift right in my own home.. I sense God more in everything!!
    I don't pray like that always.. but speaking in tongues certainly edifies me.. draws me closer to God.. helps me have more faith in Him.. I feel special... and like God singled me out.. enabled me..
    And it is very private for me.. Nobody in the flesh in my world around me talks like that or do I speak in tongues around them.. Though some know about my experiences.. And in my life and because of the things I have faced knowing God allowed me to do so.. without me getting any hands laid on me.. or having to work at it.. That it just came one day to me.. has changed my life forever and makes me so very joyful.. No it doesn't make me super spiritual.. but it does help me to be more aware and open to what the Spirit of God is doing!! I cannot wait till God shows me so much more... More then even I could imagine!!

    God bless..

     
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